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Is Donald Trump making the World Safer or More dangerous? -

The BBC World Service Debate considers the rapidly changing international landscape under President Trump.

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Chief international correspondent Lyse Doucet is joined by a panel of guests to discuss whether the United States has abandoned the global system it created, and if a new world order is emerging.

Guests:
KT McFarland, US Deputy National Security Advisor to President Trump 2017 during his first term
Brian Wong, Assistant Professor and Fellow at Centre on Contemporary China, University of Hong Kong
Azadeh Moaveni, journalist, writer and Associate Professor at New York University
Sir Mark Lyall Grant, former National Security Advisor to the United Kingdom

00:00 A moment where tensions are escalating
01:48 Introducing the panel
02:39 Trump's stance on Israel and Iran
05:00 Could talks with Iran have succeeded?
06:39 Has Trump given a "green light" for Israel?
09:27 What could consequences be of Iranian and Israeli actions?
16:56 Can Trump bring Netanyahu to the table over Gaza?
19:27 A seminal moment for international law?
22:10 Trump as "Disruptor-in-Chief"
26:28 Trump's relationship with Nato allies
31:25 A transactional approach
36:05 The difference between Trump 2.0 and Trump 1.0
37:24 US-Europe dynamic
41:40 Have Trump's actions emboldened Putin?
47:32 Trump's world order
53:55 Final thoughts

Editor: Francesca Docherty
Producer: Kai Wang
Director: Richard Murrell

Recorded in the BBC Radio Theatre, London on Friday 13 June 2025 at 1900BST.

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